EDID Initiatives Fund information session

[00:00:25] Ioana Dumitru: Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. As we begin, I wanted to note a few housekeeping items first. Please note that this session is offered in simultaneous interpretation. To access SI, click on the interpretation globe icon at the bottom of your Zoom window. And select your preferred language. Please be aware that there may be a slight delay in the translated audio.

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[00:03:04] On this day when we are all alive, we reflect on 10 years since the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's report, the second International Decade for people of African Descent, and Black History Month. I acknowledge the urgent need to continue this work for future generations. Struggles for justice and resistance are taking place not only here in Canada, but also in the United States, Palestine, the Congo, El Salvador, and beyond.

[00:03:35] These global movements remind us that our work is interconnected. The EDID Initiatives Fund offers an opportunity to transform how our community in the humanities and social sciences engages with each other and with the communities we stand in solidarity with. It provides support for collaborations that address critical issues and create pathways for equity deserving communities to lead the way in redefining and recreating our shared societies.

[00:04:06] This fund is a vital step towards fostering research, scholarship, and community-driven initiatives that challenge the systemic violence of colonialism, capitalism and dualistic Eurocentric ways of thinking that have perpetuated harm for centuries.

[00:04:24] It is an invitation to associations to contribute to dismantling the structures of oppression that continue to shape our world. And to reimagine how we can coexist in solidarity. Justice, and mutual respect for each other's presences histories, cultures and knowledge systems.

[00:04:50] Again, thank you for your interest to learn more about the EDID Initiatives Fund and how it can support your association's work. I'm the manager of the EDID Initiatives Fund program at the Federation for the Humanities and Social Sciences.

[00:05:04] And I'm glad to host our first ever information session on the Fund. We're excited to share this opportunity with you. And to hear from our guest speaker, Dr. Letitia Meynell, co-chair and organizer of a funded initiative who will share her experience of applying for and carrying out a funded initiative.

[00:05:27] Here's a quick rundown of what we'll cover today. What the EDID Initiatives Fund is and why it matters, everything you need to know about the logistics related to value, duration, and deadlines. Who can apply and what kind of initiatives qualify.

[00:05:46] How we process applications, practical advice for putting together a successful proposal, real-world insights from a successful project with Dr. Letitia Meynell. And we'll finally wrap up with some time for your questions.

[00:06:08] Before we begin, please take a moment to respond to a quick poll. We'd love to know, is your association seeking its first funding opportunity from the EDID Initiatives Fund? You can select from the following options. Yes, we are seeking a first funding opportunity, no, we have received funding before, or I'm not sure.

[00:06:32] We'll give a moment to finish the poll. So, the results are in, I see that most participants have received funding before, thank you for your sustained community efforts. Your engagement with the program makes it possible for us to continue, and we truly look forward to learning about your successes, challenges, and lessons learned.

[00:07:22] If you would like to explore opportunities to amplify your completed initiatives with the Federation's vibrant HSS community, please reach out to us directly at policy@federationhs.ca to discuss this possibility further.

[00:07:39] For those of you who are first-time applicants or are not sure, we think you're in the right place, we'll walk you through everything you need to know to get started.

[00:07:52] The EDID Initiatives Fund is designed to support scholarly associations in advancing initiatives related to equity, diversity, inclusion, and decolonization. This fund was established as part of the Federation's ongoing commitment to the “Igniting Change” report published in 2021, and is a key component of the federal durations, broader action plan focusing on real meaningful action to create more inclusive and equitable spaces in academia. And increased connections between our communities and members. Our overarching goal is to encourage associations to create more inclusive spaces promote diverse knowledge production, and provide opportunities for equity deserving communities.

[00:08:44] The fund offers up to $3,000 in financial support with the Federation providing up to 50% of the total costs of your initiative. The rest must be covered by a matching contribution, either by the association or another funding source.

[00:09:01] For example, if you request $3,000 in funding, you must match it with $3,000. This requirement is further outlined in the revised budget form for this cycle. Due to the fund structure, it cannot support multi-phase or long-term projects.

[00:09:18] While we understand that this may limit the scope of certain sustained and ingrained EDID initiatives, we hope to gather your feedback, which we'll address later, to help refine our funding programs for EDID in the future.

[00:09:33] Under the current structure, initiatives can take place any time during the year and are not restricted to Congress events. If your funding application is successful, initiatives must be completed within 24 months of the agreement being signed.

[00:09:49] Results will only be announced in April this year. The application deadline is February 28, 2025, so there's plenty of time to prepare your submission. Now let's take a look at the eligibility criteria for applicants.

[00:10:09] First, any scholarly association that is a member in good standing with the Federation is eligible to apply. However, there's an important note, each association can submit only one application per cycle. Any additional submissions will be considered ineligible, which could result in delays in processing as we will need to work closely with your association to determine which application will be eligible.

[00:10:38] To ensure a smooth and timely review process, please make sure only one application is submitted on behalf of your association. While any member of an association can submit an application, it's crucial to note under the above-mentioned requirements that the association senior leadership must show their support and are responsible for signing the contribution agreement if successful.

[00:11:04] This ensures that the application is backed by the association. With this said, we encourage associations to work with their members’ standing committee or caucuses on EDID if applicable.

[00:11:18] Priority will be given to first-time association applicants so don't hesitate to apply if this is your first time seeking funding or if your application wasn't successful before. These resources offer practical frameworks and principles that can inform initiatives aligned with the fund's objectives.

[00:11:43] Whether your association is focused on creating inclusive spaces, supporting diverse researchers, or addressing systemic inequities. These documents provide valuable ideas based on community consultation and best practices.

[00:11:59] Here are a few examples to consider. The Federation's Charter and Igniting Change report which focuses on advancing EDID in the Humanities and Social Sciences, with a call for collective action to build inclusive research spaces.

[00:12:17] The Michelle Jean Foundation Halifax Declaration which is developed through community consultation, it emphasizes Black and Indigenous inclusion, justice, and development, with key actions for education.

[00:12:32] The Scarborough Charter also offers principles for advancing Black inclusion and combating anti-Black racism in higher education. The TRC's calls to action are also aimed at advancing reconciliation and addressing the legacy of residential schools including specific actions related to education.

[00:12:55] Additionally, keep in mind that this year's Congress coincides with National AccessAbility Week and marks the 10-year anniversary of the TRC Calls to Action as well as a renewed UN international decade for people of African descent.

[00:13:12] As our political landscapes evolve, the future of EDI work is being reshaped - pushing us to reconsider our approaches, evaluate the limitations of existing frameworks, and envision how this work can progress moving forward. We look forward to initiatives that tackle these complexities and further the ongoing efforts to dismantle systemic inequalities.

[00:13:40] To help you get an idea of the types of projects we have supported previously, we created the EDID Initiatives Fund archive available on our website. Here are a few titles from the EDID Initiative Fund Archive.

[00:13:55] “Indigenizing Scholarly Journals”, “Black Caucus Research Assistantships” and “Accessibility Coordinator at Congress.” These examples show the flexibility of the EDID Initiatives Fund. Projects range from workshops and tool development to larger community-based initiatives.

[00:14:17] Whether your project focuses on research, community outreach, or educational initiatives. This fund is designed to support a broad array of impactful activities that align with EDID objectives.

[00:14:32] We encourage associations to engage with their members when brainstorming initiative ideas. To apply, start by visiting our website to access the application form. Be sure to review the terms of reference before getting started.

[00:14:52] Check that you meet eligibility requirements, engage with your association leadership, and outline the purpose and impact of your initiative and any potential community or association partners. Complete the application form. And include your budget outlining both requested and matching funds.

[00:15:13] Remember, the application deadline is February 28, 2025. Be sure to include all required documents such as your initiative description and budget details. If you have any questions, need assistance or require accessibility support throughout the application process, don't hesitate to reach out to us at policy@federationhs.ca before the deadline.

[00:15:46] Keep these practical tips in mind when applying. Clearly outline how your initiative will contribute to EDID by specifying who will benefit and how it aligns with the fund's goals. Focus on the intended impact. Highlight the positive changes you expect to see. And how they will be measured. Finally, make sure your budget and timeline are realistic for the scope of the project.

[00:16:11] Being clear and concise about your objectives will help demonstrate your initiative's potential and feasibility. After completing your initiative. You'll be required to submit a post-initiative report to share your project's outcomes, and the number of participants reached. This helps us showcase the success stories that could inspire future initiatives and collaboration opportunities. This is also the time when you will submit receipts for reimbursement.

[00:16:49] We would love to hear your feedback. Following the cycle closing, we will collect feedback from all previous applicants of the fund since it opened in 2023. Your input will be used to help us improve applicant experience, program development, and community impact and engagement.

[00:17:16] That's it for the presentation of the EDID Initiatives Fund. Now, I'm thrilled to introduce Dr. Leticia Meynell who will share insights from the successful EDID-funded initiative in collaboration with Canadian Society for the History and Philosophy of Science, Canadian Society Working for Inclusion in Philosophy, and Canadian Philosophical Association. She'll walk us through the application process, project planning, lessons learned, and challenges. Welcome, Dr. Letitia.

[00:17:51] Letitia Meynell: Thank you so much. Hi, folks. I am coming to you from Mi’kma’ki, the ancestral unceded territory of the Mi'kmaq people and, the law of the land here at the Treaties of Peace and Friendship that was signed with the British Crown with the Mi'kmaq and velocity and the past Makati.  

[00:18:28] So, yeah, I will just, I'll get you to move the slide along. I don't have control of slides. I'm a control freak and I'm very unused to this, I will be asking for that to happen from time to time. So I'm going to talk about the project itself that we funded through the Federation's EDID fund. I'm going to then talk about my experience with the process of applying for the fund, and my anxieties around it, and then I'm going to reflect for a moment on what I see as the current context for EDID work, which is a little different than what it has been in the past, let's put it that way. Okay, if you could move the slide a little bit.

[00:19:09] Thank you. This project I envisioned as a result of something that happened to one of my colleagues at the University of Waterloo, about 18 months ago, Katie Fulfer, as some of you will know, was attacked with a guy with knives, attacked her in the classroom as she was teaching philosophy of gender course just because she was teaching a philosophy of gender course, and for many of us in my community of feminist philosophers, who know what an incredibly nice person Katie is, far nicer than I am, far less sort of in your face and offensive than I tend to be or many of the rest of us.

[00:20:09] It was very clear to us that if that was happening, if that could happen to Katie, it could happen to anyone. We're in an environment where we're under physical threat because we're doing work in feminism or other types of equity work.

[00:20:29] And so I wanted to talk about this and try and strategize for how we should protect ourselves and how we should understand what is going on. Next slide, please. And so that's where I envisioned talking to some colleagues as well, particularly Carla Fehr at Waterloo doing a panel at the Congress, where we talked about the current backlash to the kinds of work we do.

[00:21:08] And we didn't just want it to be a panel because you say the words and then they disappear into the ether. And you wonder in part because you're always preaching to the choir. Those of us who do work in equity related areas know that we are almost always preaching to the choir.

[00:21:36] I wanted to try and make something more solid that would be a starting place for actually doing something that might make us more safe for or at least getting our institutions to understand what the situation is.

[00:21:53] So the panel and the report that came out of it was called “We Need to Talk About the Backlash, What is to be done” and the description of the panel is in front of you here. You'll notice the emphasis on understanding the current moment, the multiple perspectives there are from those of us who are the likely targets of this.

[00:22:25] And just, again, brainstorming about how our institutions and how we should be responding. Next slide, please. So the report itself is broken into a sort of overview of the panel, the key ideas that came out of it and then summaries of the speakers, what they said themselves.

[00:22:57] And the wonderful Lara Roth Millman who is a PhD student in our program, she basically put the whole thing together with my guidance, and I mean, my very limited guidance, she was really brilliant.

[00:23:13] I remained there as an author in part just because, especially in the current moment, I was concerned that if there was blowback that it wouldn't be focused on her as a senior professor, I am much more resilient than a graduate student who of course is vulnerable in any number of ways.

[00:23:39] So I wanted to make sure that even though she did so much of the work that she was properly credited for the work but wasn't vulnerable because of the work. It's kind of difficult place to be. Anyway, so we sort of, or Lara really drew from the presentations, which we recorded this kind of understanding of the backlash that really focused on stochastic terrorism.

[00:24:10] That idea that we have people sort of seeding an anti-intellectual, anti-feminist anti-critical race theory, anti-Indigenous anti-woke sort of, I guess, culture that predictably leads to these kind of random acts of violence, right?

[00:24:35] They're not random insofar as they're built from this underlying culture of anger and hate towards us, but they're random from our perspective because it could happen to any one of us. We also recognized that the people who are feeding this are often very resilient to evidence or argument.  

[00:25:03] Or kind of rational engagement at all. And that there's this weird way in which freedom of speech has been weaponized even as we find ourselves being silenced, it's an interesting moment. Of course, this provides this kind of massive barrier to education insofar as professors feel like they can't say what they need to say to teach. And a lot of students are so anxious they can't learn right contexts of education are always vulnerable anyway.

[00:25:39] And we have this kind of additional layer of vulnerability when we're talking about equity seeking groups and various axes of oppression and then another layer of vulnerability that comes with the backlash, the kind of threat of violence that we are seeing signs of and living with, right?

[00:26:08] Of course, as many, particularly scholars of color will say, this is not new, there's been experiences of really pretty violent and frightening responses to their work in all kinds of contexts. In the academy and of course the academy has not been a friendly place for everyone particularly for everyone I think Black and Indigenous people, people with disabilities as well, gender diverse. Anyway, we live in these colonial institutions and that is fraud.

[00:26:48] We're also worried about the institutional responses to the backlash which had been very much about securitizing. Which often makes people who already feel like they don't belong on campus and threatened by security, which of course is often racialized students, feel yet less secure. The insecurity only makes some people feel more secure and it's never going to deal with the problem anyway, right? Because of the stochastic nature of it seem to have to a lot of our speakers had a lot more to do with liability of the institution.

[00:27:29] So we also talked about values, the value of academic freedom and the value of being able to teach and learn right? That education should be accessible to everyone and we have to have a learning space that's genuinely accessible to everyone.

[00:27:54] And we need to be well enough to do that. And if you're constantly under threat, you're not going to feel well enough to learn well. And we also recognize the kind of philosophy, our philosophical tools are ways of understanding the environment and expressing our values and envisioning alternatives, right? We are doing this work within our disciplines.

[00:28:24] We may not have all the answers, but we've got a whole bunch more answers than any kinds of consultants do, I can tell you that. So, you know, we should be using our tools in this moment, right? And so I think that's where the EDID Fund is really there to try and help us make the most of what we do anyway to try and reach beyond I'm just theorizing and talking to each other to something that perhaps will get a bit more traction in changing things.

[00:29:07] Could we move on to the next slide, please? Yeah, so for me, navigating the process, you know, I heard about the Fund I thought well, I want to do this thing. I was going to do it anyway. How could I use the Fund to really make the most of things, right? So I had already envisioned the panel. I was going to do something anyway.

[00:29:34] But then I thought, well, with the money, I can actually have a report done and I can hire a graduate student. And I'm sure many of you out there have the same problems we do of chronic underfunding and the difficulty of finding any way to try and get some money into our students' pockets so they can survive.

[00:29:57] And so this was a way of me employing a student. Happily the student I could employ was doing research in a way that sort of fit the mandate of the panel so it was a way of enhancing her studies instead of taking her away from her studies, which is often what work for graduate students does in my experience. Again, this idea of trying to do something in a way that made it not just flutter into the ether after we'd said our piece but actually write it down and shove it maybe under the nose of some administrators and try and move things along.  

[00:30:57] The other thing I was worried about was not making things worse. And this is my experience of equity work. In general is that it can be very easy to make things with the best intentions in the world. I didn't want to make things worse for Katie, especially shortly after the attack. So I was doing this work.

[00:31:14] Just a few months after the attack. And at that point, Katie wasn't talking to the media about it, you know, she had just been brutally attacked with a guy with knives who you know who attacked her body and her face and students fought him off, and also were injured.

[00:31:44] And I obviously, you know, it would have been a nightmare to make things worse for her, for people at Waterloo. So Carla Fehr in particular, who was in charge of the gender and women's studies program there.

[00:32:02] She was dealing with a lot of the institutional response and, you know, one doesn't want to put her in a bad position or again make things worse for her or any of the other scholars who were navigating that at Waterloo.

[00:32:26] For all of us doing equity work, it's easy sometimes, to step on toes and to with the best will in the world, do something in a way that's not a good way, but somehow manages to make things worse for someone.

[00:32:46] And then, you know, for myself, right? This work may be important, but it is professionally invisible, nobody cares. Absolutely nobody cares who has any kind of evaluation for my job.

[00:33:04] You know, it's very nice to do this service work, whatever, but it's any time I put towards it is time away from my research, which is what is genuinely valued in my job, kind of, maybe, sort of, and my teaching right. And so I didn't want to end up making a commitment to do this project, and then have it take away from my other work in ways that harm me.

[00:33:34] And I'm sure many people who are thinking of applying for this program have the same kind of worry. I want this taken over my life and actually stopping me from doing work that will be valued by my dean or by my department chair or by my colleagues or what have you. Okay, can you move on to the next slide, please?

[00:33:59] Yeah, so the thing that sort of encouraged me that I found helpful in the process was how open the call for applications is right so with the Federation, you've got the open events funding and then this EDID funding. And I thought, well, is it just for speakers like the open events funding or who was it for? It's not obvious what it's for. And then they say, well, anything, so long as it's EDID related and you think, well anything? I mean, yeah, but what do you do with it?

[00:34:43] And so I think that openness is difficult to get your head around, but is a real kind of strength that this was the kind of thing that they would support and the fact that the call was twice a year was useful for me initially, I started applying in the fall, for the fall call.

[00:35:08] But then I couldn't sort of get all my ducks in a row to have it completed by then. So I ended up applying in the spring call or I guess the winter call instead and that was possible for me because it was this twice a year thing.

[00:35:26] So I hope they keep doing that because I think often navigating the complexities of EDID work means a failure to meet some deadlines and needing to sort of push it back a little bit and if it's a whole year, then that's hard to keep going for. Okay, could you move on to the next slide, please?

[00:35:51] Yeah, so some of the challenges that I found with the application process coordination with other societies, quite difficult. So just getting the panel so that it fit both the CSHPS program and the CPA program. Actually, what we ended up doing was applying for the CPA through the CPA process, which has this relationship with CSWIP. And so it got onto the CPA program as a CSWIP program.

[00:36:31] And then we co-hosted it at CSHPS as well. But that was just a massive pain in the butt, again, service work taking me away from doing sort of research and my what I think of as my real work trying to navigate the coordination through multiple societies is often a real burden.  

[00:36:53] Sorry, CPA: Canadian Philosophical Association, CSHPS: Canadian Society for the History and Philosophy of Science and CSWIP used to be the Canadian Society for Women In Philosophy and is now the Canadian Society for Oh gosh, I can't remember, it's something inclusion philosophy you understand what's going on there. Yeah.

[00:37:20] Yeah, another thing that stressed me out a huge amount was the funding through reimbursement. CSHPS is a small society you know, I was hiring Lara, getting her to do all this work and the only way with the way the funding worked, what I had to do was sort of get her paid out of the CSHPS’s [...] chunk of money, $3,000 out of the CSHPS called us, get her reimbursed for going to the Congress and all that sort of thing.

[00:37:58] And I was worried we wouldn't get reimbursed, right? That I'd do something wrong. And they go, oh, no, or that we wouldn't end up writing the report. We try to write the report and then find we couldn't do it or there's something, you know, one of the speakers said “I don't want my name associated with this anymore.” I mean, all kinds of things can go wrong, especially with equity work. And I was worried that if we didn't come out with a report at the end of it.

[00:38:33] Then I would have spent all this money for CSHPS and harmed my society and it wouldn't be reimbursed so that's stress me out. The matching funds we did basically through people like myself paying for our travel to the travel conference out of our own professional funds. And so the matching funds I found a barrier. I'm not sure what exactly the Federation gets through requiring that.

[00:39:12] Yeah, and just the budgeting in times of uncertainty. Of course, the Congress last year was just a sort of, let's call it a bit chaotic and there was this just moving situation where I didn't know who was coming, who would show up. I was going to reimburse the more junior scholars for their travel and some of their expenses, but then they ended up not coming. And so that meant we had more money to give to Lara to do the report.

[00:39:46] But it all felt very… sort of uncharted territory, right? Where I just didn't know at the end of the day if we would get this reimbursement because usually, of course, with grants, you get the money, you spend the money and then you report it. So I was surprised that it was this reimbursement process.

[00:40:08] The last thing that I worried about is I think sometimes we did have scholars from underrepresented groups on the panel, but they get us to do so much of this stuff and for their professional advancement is relatively invisible. A dean is never going to sort of sign off on tenure because you had a role in this report or you were on this panel.

[00:40:38] And so I think the burdening, you know, sometimes I think people say, well, it's an opportunity, it's all good but if it takes people away from doing the work that is valued by their institution, it can be a real trap. Next slide, please.

[00:41:00] Yeah, but everything went great. None of my fears came to pass. I had all these worries, but it was yeah, I think that's a really good idea. Just reading the chat that examples like that would be helpful. It would help me too.

[00:41:19] Yeah, everything was great, and the Federation was incredibly flexible and understanding when I reached out to them and said, what about this? What about this? But I still worry, you know, what if Lara hadn't been as brilliant and as careful and smart you know responsible as she turned out to be and we just didn't have a report at the end of the day.

[00:41:45] Yeah, okay, last slide. Yeah, so this is just me because I'm a philosopher opining on the present moment. Sorry, I realized I've gone a little over time. I apologize about that. But the situation, obviously, for people doing EDID work, critical race work, critical disability work, decolonization work, feminist work situation is really grim right now.

[00:42:20] Now, the optimist in me says if what we've been doing for the last 10, 15, 20 years what we've been doing has been good work, we won't need to say it out loud so much, we won't need the structures there.

[00:42:42] Yes, so reply to Angela, I'm just going to go through this and I will then answer that question. Yeah, if we've been doing a good job, we won't need all that stuff, but… you know we'll see, the pessimist in me worries that we're going to see a whole bunch of this kind of these kinds of initiatives co-opted by people in various ways. And this is just remembering things that happened in the 90s.

[00:43:16] And at the end of the day, I think we just need to be sure to protect our disciplines within the academy. I worry that the disciplines that are represented by the Federation will become increasingly under attack partly because we're the places the humanities and social sciences is the place where most of the EDID work is done anyway.

[00:43:43] And so we will find ourselves in hostile territory and just keeping our disciplines going will be EDID work. Which, given what some of our disciplines are like, is a pretty grim thought.

[00:43:58] Yeah, just I think that's all I have to say. Maybe just go on to the last slide and I will respond to the questions. Yeah, so the organizations involved in my initiative are not all part of the Federation, so CSWIP is not part of the Federation, but because it's the Canadian Society for, gosh, I can't get it anymore anyway, they're the philosophical Society, they have this relationship with the Canadian Philosophical Association where they have a panel every year that's part of the CPA, so the CPA is part of the Federation and the CSWIP isn't, but has this relation with the CPA.

[00:44:53] And so the backlash panel was the CSWIP panel for that year, if that makes sense, I don't know how I don't know how the Federation looks at that. And yeah, I think, oh, thank you. Working for Inclusion in philosophy. That's what it is, it was there in the back of my brain somewhere.

[00:45:20] I think that's all to my presentation. Any other questions for me?

[00:45:38] Ioana Dumitru: Thank you, Dr. Meynell, for your valuable presentation. It's been a pleasure to get to hear from you.